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Show Notes/Description:
What happens when high achievement no longer feels fulfilling?
In this deeply reflective episode on the Muscle Intelligence Podcast, Ben Pakulski sits down with Paul Attia, a performance advisor to elite families, to explore what real success looks like beyond money and accolades. Paul shares frameworks for self-mastery, managing intensity, and leading your family with wisdom and purpose. Together they unpack the dangers of external validation, the art of presence, and why the biggest tax you’ll ever pay is the “tax of a broken family.”
If you’re a high performer ready to align drive with depth… this is your roadmap.
Points To Watch Out For:
- The “Identify → Manage → Optimize” framework for self-mastery
- Turning agitation into clarity and calm
- How to channel drive without burnout
- Raising “philosophers, farmers, and fighters”
- Why legacy matters more than success.
Timestamps:
00:00 – Introduction — Redefining Success
03:12 – The Hidden Struggles of High Achievers
09:28 – The Value of Struggle and Failure
15:02 – What Parents Really Want for Their Kids
21:37 – Philosophers, Farmers, and Fighters
28:45 – The Lost Art of Wisdom
36:11 – Redefining the Scorecard of Life
44:58 – The Power of Presence over Productivity
53:20 – Managing Drive and Agitation
1:02:44 – The Identify → Manage → Optimize Framework
1:11:56 – Marriage, Fatherhood, and Self-Correction
1:21:18 – Surround Yourself with Honest Brokers
1:30:42 – The Cheap Wins Trap
1:40:06 – Legacy and the “Tax of a Broken Family”
1:49:23 – Why Wealthy People Feel Alone
1:55:44 – Closing Reflections – Wisdom Over Hustle
About Paul:
Paul Attia is a Toronto-based lawyer, family business advisor, and executive in his own family’s enterprise. After nearly 15 years as a litigator – including Bay Street work and criminal prosecution – Paul shifted to lead his family’s stone quarry business, founded by his immigrant father. His dual experience in law and business positions him uniquely to navigate the overlap between negotiation tables and family relationships. He works with business families across Canada and the U.S. on succession, governance, and relational alignment. A former Division I athlete, Paul now lives in Ontario with his wife and children, dedicated to helping leaders integrate purpose, connection, and legacy.
About Ben:
Ben Pakulski is the Chief Performance Officer to elite executives, successful entrepreneurs, and top athletes.With over 25 years of experience, he coaches high achievers to build the physical, psychological, and metabolic resilience required to lead at the highest level. As the creator of the Muscle Intelligence framework, Ben specializes in aligning biology and behavior to drive sustained peak performance. His mission is to redefine what’s possible for people in their prime and push the boundaries of human potential.
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